Doug- try Guards Guards. I think you'd like Captain Vimes. I *know* you'd like the Patrician. :-D

Oh, just a thot I'd like to throw out there....anyone know where one can find a party for socially conservative socialists? I did a quiz once that showed I'd be really left wing if i weren't so determined about personal responsibilities and the sacredness of life. I guess I even out to moderate something, but i'm not sure what.

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