Carol, All cynicism, aside, we know that the Native Americans were screwed over, an issue that actually is very close to me, being as I live with the Tewa, and have had very close relations with several of them, even have a given name from them, and speak some of the language. The horror stories, about how the Spanish came up, and what they did to the people in the pueblo is heartbreaking, while looking for gold. Someday, perhaps on another thread, I'd share them with you.

Still, getting back to the topic of the thread, this health care bill is wrought with nonsense, and political quackery. I think it was you, that I shared an exchange, a long time ago, about being able to get reduced rates for health care from certain doctors, for cash, at a largely reduced price, because of the insurance paperwork, and lag of reimbursement from the insurance companies, and/or medicare, so this issue too, I've been dealing with, long before anyone even heard of Obama, or the bill he supports...if you remember. Yes we need reforms. But this bill, and what its about, you will find, is not even close to getting comprehensive health care to those who need it.

As I mentioned, in this thread earlier, I've been to Olive View Hospital, which largely is state funded, through grants to UCLA. That, with all the overburdened workload, is one fantastic hospital!!!
The illegal immigrant issue, and those exploiting the emergency rooms, and outpatient clinics there, whether citizens or not, has threatened their ability to give services, and keep their doors opened. However, unless you have SEEN what I'm talking(or typing) about, with your own eyes, you won't be able to get a good grasp of just what I'm relaying to you.

That's why I suggested, that someone who lives near there who would actually take the time to go there, and see, and talk to the patients, especially those who are citizens, waiting and needing help, and jump back on this thread, and report what they observed, no matter what their political bent, will a lot of you even come close to understanding the problem, short of the political hack 'journalism' that is being used to promote this bill! That's all. Simple as that!

Yes, as I've said before, we need health care. Yes, we need government assisted heath care. This bill, is not it. Furthermore, any political quack representative who votes for it, should be booted out of office, at the next election! Any politician who receives financial 'incentives' for their vote, should be removed from office and prosecuted!!..as soon as possible!..That's how bad it is!