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Thread #125392   Message #2776324
Posted By: JohnInKansas
29-Nov-09 - 06:06 PM
Thread Name: BS: US Medicare / GM medical cover query
Subject: RE: BS: US Medicare / GM medical cover query
To receive Social Security payments one must have worked and earned income from employment in the US (or for a US based company) and must have paid the "Social Security" taxes on that income. A surviving spouse can continue to receive a benefit, and it's likely that's the reason your dad is receiving SS payments. The "surviving spouse" benefit is based on the benefit received by the original SS recipient, but you would need to contact SS (see artbrooks post above) for details.

A person may be insured under Medicare because of a disability, but the more normal situation is that Medicare "insurance" is provided to persons receiving SS payments after the person reaches a particular age.

Technically, anyone receiving Social Security retirement benefits, after reaching "full retirment age," is required to have and pay for Medicare coverage, unless they prove that they have "comparable other insurance." (Some get by with ignoring this requiremnt.)

So far as I've heard, medical/health insurance provided by most companies insist that any payments from/by Medicare "have primacy" and must be paid first, before the corporate/retirement insurance picks up any portion of the remaining costs.

In the US, few medical practitioners/services will fail to ask a person to show identification of their medical insurance coverage(s) prior to treatment; and your dad needs to have a "Medicare Card" and also a GM Insurance card that can be presented when services are requested. Most medical providers will bill any and all insurers identified by the patient.

In the typical way it works in practice, Medicare will send an "Explanation of Benefits" that will show that they have paid a certain amount, and that a remaining balance is owed. Medicare (or the provider of the billed service) will then notify other insurers.

The GM insurance should then pay whatever benefit is applicable to the remaining balance, and will send the patient a separate Explanation of Benefits, showing the amount the GM insurance has paid directly to the provider, and showing the amount remaining to be paid by the patient.

Once Medicare and the GM insurance have paid "their shares" the provider usually will bill the patient directly for any remainder. The provider may bill, showing "claims pending," prior to the settlement by the insurers, but most (not all) will wait until insurance claims have completed processing before demanding that the patient make the final payment.

This process typically takes at least a month, and in some cases two or three months before the patient gets the final bill. It can become difficult to keep track when a provider bills quarterly, Medicare then takes two months or more to make their payment, the "private insurer" then takes another month before the original provider can invoice the patient.

Medicare must be informed that other insurance exists, so that they will automatically refer the balance after Medicare payment to the other insurer. Under new rules, Federal regulations require that most SS/Medicare recipients show proof of other private insurance (the so-called "gap insurance"). "Dad" should already have received (or will soon) the mandatory statement that the GM policy meets the requirements for the required "gap" insurance.

The other insurer (GM) must be informed that the person is covered under Medicare, as it is illegal to receive payments for the same "loss" or expense from more than one insurer.

Problems may arise from the fact that not all medical providers accept patients using Medicare insurance, and/or will refuse to file claims with Medicare. Some may refuse to file with any insurer. The patient then is "expected" to pay the bill, and file his/her own claim with Medicare and/or others. This gets messy, but can be done.

I would expect that any insurance provided by GM would offer an option to use "preferred providers" at reduced cost to the patient. Most companies require an "annual re-enrollment" at which time the insured person can choose one of several "plans" to best suit personal conditions. It likely would be of value to check out whether "dad" is enrolled in the GM plan best suited to his needs.

A "typical" invoicing may help clarify:

1. One of my services bills $460 per month for "services."

2. Medicare informs the provider that they allow only $269 for this service.

3. Medicare pays $143 to the provider, and informs me that since I am covered by Medicare the provider cannot bill me for the $191 disallowed by Medicare1. But I do remain "responsible" for the $269 - $143 = $126.

4. My retiree insurance (like dad's GM) pays 80% of what Medicare doesn't take care of (80% of $269 - #143 = $101); but since I get this service from a "Preferred Provider," the provider has agreed to accept the amount the insurer allows them to charge for the specific service for which they billed. The insurance pays $22,2 indicating that the limit imposed (they say "negotiated") by the insurer is even less than what Medicare allows(?).

5. Eventually, the service sends me a bill for $7.00.

The provider billed $460, but receives $269+$22+$7 = $298.

I pay $7, but without insurance would have paid $460.

1 It should be obvious why not all providers will accept "Medicare clients."

2 It should also be obvious why it is to my advantage to use the "Preferred Providers" who are associated with my insurance - when I can get the treatments/services needed from them. The costs of going "out of service" are generally not too bad, but do add up over a time3.

3 A certain person covered under "spousal benefits" from my retiree/corporate policy refuses to use a "Preferred Provider" just because she objects to "being told what to do." It generally costs about $15 extra per office visit, but other costs - with my exceptionably good policy - are fairly small. The situation might be different for other insurers.


I've tried to avoid being technical while giving a sample of what dad might encounter. The Medicare coverage should be similar for most, although Medicare is administered under rules which may vary from one state to another. You can get most information from the fed site; but the day-to-day handling of medical claims may vary with what state dad is in. My retiree insurance is, to be quite honest, exceptionally good (so far); but I would expect that even with their recent troubles GM coverage for retirees (and their surviving spouses) should be similar.

John