But that's the fucking point!

Do you seriouly think anyone here would be willing to make any more than a token gesture?

What is required is a worldwide change in how we view the way we live.
At the moment the non-developed world wants a lifestyle "just like the Americans"   thats what they dream about! they already have self sufficienct to a minimal standard.

They want to be like us....and we know we must be like them to survive, if man made global warming is a reality.

But we will go on denying and apologising for ourselves to the bitter end.