Hi Banjo, my reply was not from any insensitivity on your part only that the focus remain on the sailors who are in need rather than what or who got them into their position in the first place & that when our subs sank that we were not much different from the Russians. From the small bit my brother would ever say about subs were that the Albacore was pretty decent & that the Scorpion was in very tough shape, again, not that much difference. His job was not sub related, it was the sub's job to get him & him group to certain places, drop them off & then come back for them. Survivors guilt is real for him, probably a close relation to post tramatic syndrome. He seeems to dwell in the depths in comfort & in company, as much lost to us as his mates. Barry