"what I meant was that all this liberalism has played a big part in letting evil in."

I see ... so if we had a totalitarian government, and if women and blacks couldn't vote, and if society was segregated and homosexuality was still illegal then the fascists wouldn't be able to sneak in?

Or n other words, the more liberal a society gets the greater the power that fascists have.

Hmmm ... I don't know why I didn't think of it before ...


"Sorry Lox, but if you take the extremist liberal views so often shown in Mudcat, then everyone would have the right to do everything."


Lizzie, you misunderstand what "human rights" are.

Human rights and "the right to do everything" are not the same thing.

To learn what human rights are, have a quick look at the following link.


Human Rights.


You will note that the clause "people have the right to do what they like" is not included anywhere.

You will on the other hand note the following:


Article 3
    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

In other words, you can't do anything you like if it interferes with someone elses right to life, liberty and the security of person.

They come first.

So what do we have the right to do?

In the context of this thread, here is the relevant material.


1. "During World War II, the US government publicly adopted the Four Freedoms: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, freedom from fear and freedom from want, as its basic war aims. The United Nations Charter "reaffirmed faith in fundamental human rights, and dignity and worth of the human person" and committed all member states to promote "universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion".[2]"


2. "Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,"

3. "Article 19
    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

4. Article 2
    Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.


You may be surprised to discover that these proclamations are in fact incompatible with Nazi policy in WWII.