I was a surface sailor. Barry, I do hope your brother finds the peace he and your family so richly deserve. National pride, incompetence, and finger pointing aren't important! At this point, what is important is trying to get those men off that vessel. It would be very nice in my opinion if it were American technology and Jack Tars that did so, but only because it would mend a lot of rifts that shgould have never been there in the first place but were because of the cold war. If the British can help, have on and let's brink those brave men back to their families! At this point, they have no place to go and it is the obligation of every maritime nation to render whatever assistance is needed to save the men of the Kursk. Not because it's a law, it isn't, but because it is the morally right thing to do. Anyone who has spent time at sea, will likely share that sentiment. It's not about national integrity, it's about sailors lives damn it! Kindest reguards to all, Neil