I'm here. Just got back from a trip to Canada, and before that a week in Florida. I didnt mean to complicate your life Doug. My point is simply that it has been the liberals who have initiated laws for the common man. Sure the conservatives have improved things, but out of love for the welfare mother? not on your life! it was for their own good knowing that it was politically ecpedient. They never initated such laws. And, I'm as sick of the 2 party system as anyone, but, it is plain to anyone who sees that a vote for Nader IS a vote for Bush.