Ake, there really isn't a lot of point arguing with you as you are just so thick, but I would hate for anyone to read your drivel and get the wrong impression about the world.

If you go to your local GP / GUM Clinic / Gay Venue, you will find that an enormous amount of effort and resources are aimed at getting the safe sex message and condoms and what not to gay men. Inquiries held, lessons learned, resources and outreach deployed.

So your point is what?

People - gay or straight - get HIV by unprotected penetrative sex. Is that clear enough for you? Why do people not practice safe sex? I have no idea. But it certainly isn't a "gay thing" according to any figures - Africa or UK.

All your crap about 50% more likely is just crap. The statistic may be true, but what is your point? What are we supposed to infer from that? I explained to you why that is just a bad luck roll of the dice for gay men in "The West" - it isn't complex; if you have a disease that appears in a minority closed group of people practising the main transmission vector, that is where the disease will stay and infection rates will be high. Luck of the draw.

So in the UK, HIV has historically been concentrated in the gay community where it first appeared. The data shows that straight people are reversing that trend.

In Africa, where HIV emerged in the straight population; guess what? It's a straight 'plague' as you see it.

As Lox said, that gay men are 50 times more likely to acquire HIV than is Margaret Thatcher, is a meaningless statistic. that 96% of gay men are HIV negative is more informative (but you don't like that one)

GfS, you're even more absurd than I thought. Having exhausted your own spleen, you're now off to the religious nutters for a load of selective data from the 1970's (mainly it would seem). All the 'findings' are quoted out of context to serve a right wing agenda. All the 'research' appears to be of self selected groups - people accessing healthcare (mental and physical) services or social care services. That is to say that none of those studies are of the gay population in general and to quote them so selectively is akin to lying. You should be ashamed of yourself.