Actually, I've started skipping over certain posts precisely because they do seem to be a tangential argument rather peculiar to a couple of particular clubs and not that germane to the general topic here.   It's not that hard to do.

Janie, thanks for this: "Your wisdom shines. It is apparent that you speak from a place of interest and are not taking a position to be defended or asserted. Simply observing."

I don't know that it's "wisdom" so much as merely the attempt to find common ground among the various posters, where it exists, and claridy where the real disagreements lie.
I think you've made some excellent posts in that regard, and beautifully expressed.