Teribus - a word of advice. Don't try to argue with CarolC ~ her only talent is to contrive to combine the narrowest of credulity (like believing ~ or purporting to believe ~ that the Koran has one single unambiguous meaning thruout which all Muslims understand completely) with disingenuous constant groundshifting evasiveness of the main point. You might as well try to stop a bandersnatch; or spend a constructive hour or two bashing your head against a brick wall.