"We are all responsible for our own actions.


We are not responsible for other peoples actions."




But what if our actions have caused reactions in others, Lox?

The majority of rape cases are absolutely clear cut, in that a woman has been raped by a man, through no fault of her own. She may know him, she may not, but he has set out deliberately to rape her, for whatever reason he may have in his head. She bears no guilt for that whatsoever. It is entirely his fault. I have no sympathy for the rapist and every sympathy for his victim/s.

I am just putting forward another view....and that is a situation where the end result has happened because of the deliberate actions of a totally irresponsible woman. It does not let the man off the hook, but it perhaps goes part way to explain why that whole situation may have happened in the first place. And it happened because HE would have trusted her, would it not? After all, she was leading him on, she was deliberately giving out the message to him. He trusted her.

Lox, what if *she* had decided to make *him* the victim?

Now, there's a thought...



Don, drugs never came onto my horizon, ever. I never drank, still don't, hate the taste of it, ugh..I loved the fashions, the music, have only happy memories of being a teenager. Carefree days spent with family, spent with friends. Shopping in BIBA, bell bottom jeans, bell bottom sleeves, long hair, peace, gentleness...If you're going to San Fransisco, be sure to wear a flower in your hair....ah, those were the days my friend, I'd thought they'd never end..

But they did...because hate replaced love when the 80s hit town..and yuppie selfishness and greed kicked in, Thatcher, the Miners Strike, Class War, class hatred...and it began to go down, down, deeper and down...the backlashh against feminism was there too, with the men's magazines rising up once more..and suddenly are teenagers were drinking like never before, sex replaced love, harshness replaced gentleness, bitchiness replaced thoughtfulness...and a new century was born....

I never realised, until this thread started, that when it comes to making love, men don't have any rights at all. Everything is now from the woman's point of view, and what she says goes. Women control sex and that's just the way it is.

I always thought it was a 'shared' thing, but I guess that's me being a dumb unnatural blonde again. Ho hum......

And yes, McGrath's post illustrates the point very well.