"Give me the kind of love where a man knows he never has to even ask, (let alone sign a contract) because he knows he'll never be refused, such is the love, trust, openess and affection between two people."

wow, you have never refused someone?

ahh in this dream land men don't want sex when................... they understand the monthly bloating, or they know when we have headaches or just feel frumpy, are in a bad mood or they smell or even just don't want to.

no wonder you don't understand about when and why women say NO.
it now makes you easier to understand how you come to the conclusions you have done. it also means that any trying to get you to understand is pointless.

back to the thread. i would have thought that having sex with someone who for whatever reason is unable to say no loud enough to be heard is unsavoury as it is. not exactly rape, but not that far off it. to me a woman who is nearly unconsious is a complete turn off.to most men i would have thought it would be too. maybe thats just me, some feedback from the men on here would be good thanks.

see you all later or tomorrow no doubt.
sleep well, i have a feeling we will need our strength
jade x x x