"simplified little template"

gee thanks.

"if there were ever examples of gray areas, this guy could create them."

It certainly sounds like he exploited uncertainty to his advantage.

But basically, though the conclusion of your thoughts differs to mine, the content of your reasoning seems to be in agreement with what I wrote in my last post insofar as you seemed to view your friend as being in the wrong despite not breaking the law.

You certainly seem to be in agreement that someone has to be pretty cold and determined if they are to have sex with a woman who isn't sure.

My idea that women may give in because that is what our culture expects them to commit to once they have crossed a certain boundary is untouched by you, yet it is central to this thread.

In fact, you have not refuted any aspect of my thinking, having demonstrated apparent substantive agreement, except to describe my conclusion as a platitude and a slogan.

It is neither - it is a conclusion based on the reasoning I have outlined.

Strange how your reasoning should engage with mine so well, and your tone be so conciliatory while you are considering the issue, yet your comments regarding me should be so incongruously patronizing and dismissive.

Of course the fact remains that as long as he didn't defraud her, incapacitate her, or force her to comply in the face of a refusal, he is not legally accountable for rape.

Bill, I hope you are not reading this with a red pen clutched in your hand scoring out my errors, as I would like to invite you to go through some of my earlier posts where you may discover that I have considered some pretty extreme possibilities that you might well perceive to be grey areas.

What for example is your view of the scenario I suggested earlier where a woman is in the process of having sex with a man, but she decides she wants to stop for whatever reason?

I suggest to you that the simple category into which you have attempted to classify my argument is a very poor fit indeed.

I await curiously.