Aye - Sorry Ruth. I thought I was just agreeing that something may have been lost but the comment is unequivacaly 'lost more than gained' which, as you say, is blatantly untrue.

I did say I agree in some ways by which I meant that the loss of some romantacised idea of respect or chivalry could be seen as a loss by some people. In no way does that excel or even come close to the gains that have been made.

I am in full agreement with the last paragraph as well. That is what I was trying to get across but obviously less succinctly!

Cheers

DeG