Sounds like this thread has shifted to another topic, probably should be a separate thread.

Good post, Ruth.

Ake, I don't think you are a "bad guy", but your posts often suggest you operate from a paradigm that includes many unexamined and/or over-generalized assumptions. Or perhaps it is that you are prone to dichotomous thinking. Go back and re-read Ruth's post objectively.   She provided a well-informed opinion, backed up by well-documented information.

Most women have always labored, and hard. Rarely have those labors been confined to "the task of nurturing our children."