MtheGM is trying, as did I and several others, to clarify some issues and point out that not all incidents are equal, and thus need different responses to cope with them and different language to describe them.

To those who demand only ONE category of blame & guilt, I can only hope you never have to sort it out personally, or with a family member.

I think we all agree that the goal is to have NO be always expressed clearly and that it always be respected, no matter what one's opinion is of the woman's reasons, etc....

Knowing what I do of humans, I doubt that goal is close.....