MtheGM wrote:

"But it has surely been repeatedly demonstrated also that however GUILTY the perpetrator may be, the extent to which the victim might be regarded as BLAMEWORTHY for the outcome can vary enormously according to the circumstances.

That is the distinction some of us have been trying to draw; ~~~ and I repeat that I do not think enough attention has been paid to these two distinctions: i.e. that between 'Guilt & 'Blame'; and that between the degree of either to be attributed in each and every specific case."

Where has it been shown that "the extent to which the victim might be regarded as BLAMEWORTHY for the outcome can vary enormously according to the circumstances"?

Could you cite the date and time of the post?


The hypothetical example MtheGM provided did not demonstrate this.

It showed that when a woman "permits" sex (after foreplay) she is wrong to cry rape afterwards.

No other hypothetical example has withstood any scrutiny either.

I keep reading posts about how there are grey areas, yet I have seen no example which supports these claims.

In every hypothetical scenario described in this thread, a clear point of consent or non-consent has been easily defined.

That point of consent or non-consent is the boundary beyond which rape can be said to have been committed.

I understand that in life there are shades of grey.

In the case of YES/NO I have yet to see any examples of scenarios that can't be described as CONSENTING/NON-CONSENTING, so I haven't seen any shades of grey between those two absolutes yet.

The clever response to me would be "what if she said MAYBE".

But this would be churlish and would still not present a grey area, as it would be possible for any witness to the act to identify consent or its absence from other indicators.