But David, I've written probably thousand of words now, trying to explain that 'self-respect' isn't there in the first place in so many young people these days.

If it were they'd not be falling over sideways with alcohol, they'd not be having sex wherever possible, regardless of anyone else around...they'd not be throwing up over our pavements, and waking up with terrible hangovers on so many mornings..

It's because self respect has been replaced by "!I want RESPECT! even if I'm blind drunk and gagging for it!...Because, I have RIGHTS!"


Self respect is "Thanks, but no thanks, I don't want that for myself. I don't actually *want* to be totally out of control. I'd actually like to remember what I did last night, and know who I did it with, and that it was someone I have respect and feelings for, who returns that respect and feeling to me a thousand fold. I have way too much respect for my body to put it risk by laying it open for someone else to use however they may want to."

That's self respect...to me.

Now I really do have to get poodling OUT of this thread...it's getting a little worrying how many posts I've put down in here. :0)