Why yes, Sawz, I do. But what I certainly do NOT believe in is a certain literal-minded binary-values only Manichean mode of thought with which you try to disrupt the conversation.

A collapse of something as large as the US economy is not a binary event. It occurs over time and occurs on a gradient progression.

Our economic collapse started. It continued. It has been slowed and possibly turned around at this point, before it reached a condition that could fairly be described as completely collapsed.

Your disputation is kind of like saying "You say night fell, but look!! Its light out!! DId it fall or not?" Your question, in other words, is falsified by its own unexamined (or disingenuous) assumptions.

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