Thanks mousethief......I didn't mean you were posting nonesense, it was just that sentence I couldn't understand.

I have not heard any of the most vociferous posters speak about a need to take responsibility for ones own safety.

The point that one or two of us are making seems self evident to me, and does not affect the culpability of the perpetrator.

There is an obvious culture appearing everywhere, which is based on an abdication of responsibility for anything.

This culture is IMO destructive.