Emma, I know. How anyone could not know what all of this is about and still be on Mudcat seems impossible. I am not belittling it, but it does get tedious when the same people come in and repeat the same slagging off at each other instead of being constructive. Having said that, it's nice to see the thread progressed into something more constructive.

As to Alice...she has been a Mudcatter since almost Day One and has the respect of all who know her. She is a wonderful artist who has created logos for the Layabout Bros. At Large aka Big Mick, Catspaw and some others and also provided artwork for other Mudcatters free of charge. Joan, I can tell you with no doubt at all that the last thing on Alice's mind for offering her design on goods has anything to do with nefarious intent. She is not a person who puts herself out there, so I asked her permission to let folks know about her designs. I will send her a PM and ask her to come in here or to PM you, Joan.

Lastly, I would say this is not really just a UK matter; ilk like the BNP exist everywhere and learning from each other on how to deal with them can be of value to anyone who abhors them and their agendas.

Thank you,

kat