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Thread #128156   Message #2880388
Posted By: Joe Offer
05-Apr-10 - 10:39 PM
Thread Name: BS: Clerical child abuse Part 94....
Subject: RE: BS: Clerical child abuse Part 94....
So, Peter (Fionn), we have two accounts of an interview of Budzinski: I suppose they could be two different interviews, but it seems to me that they probably describe the same incident. The NY Times article says:The details make me think this is the more credible story.

Jim Carroll, in a typically dramatic overstatement, says: And a church that has placed itself above the law (in fact has invented their own law as an alternative) harboured and protected them and allowed them to carry on with their abuse.

The "invented their own law as an alternative" passage is ludicrous. Canon law is a system of internal rules for the Catholic Church. It does not supersede or countermand civil criminal law. Canon law covers church procedures, not government procedures. You make it sound as if it were wrong for an organization like a church to have internal rules. Nothing in Catholic canon law prohibits civil authorities from prosecuting crimes. That's just silly for you to imply otherwise.

The facts of the matter are bad enough, Jim. There's no need for your exaggeration. It does appear that the coverup was far more widespread in Ireland than in other countries, because it was the highest-ranking bishops in Ireland who were doing the coverups. Yes, coverups happened in dioceses in the US and in other countries, but certainly not in the majority of dioceses - except that in Ireland, it appears that there were serious coverups in almost every diocese.

And as I read the authority structure of the Catholic Church, the primary responsibility for oversight (or lack of oversight) in this matter lies in the individual dioceses, and not in Rome. For the most part, dioceses are autonomous; so 'the buck stops' in the office of the local bishop - for the most part. Rome has some oversight authority, but not as much as is implied in many posts here.

-Joe Offer-