Do let me assure I was not trying to be slippery nor knowingly invoking quivocation with my questions below. What I was trying to point to is that there are things we all believe in with little proof of their existence but we still 'know' they are there, or think we do. The two things were meant to be two very different examples of such things. There are others.

Initial love is a chemical cocktail mix that flows around us giving us certain feelings. The longer lasting, steadfast type love takes a little more understanding and, whilst I accept it may not be an act of faith for many, in nonetheless shows a faith in someone.

Trust is harder to pin down. We know what it is and we know what it is not to have it. We know what mistrust does and feels like. Yet trust is a concept of some sort that cannot be demonstrated. That was all I was trying to point out.

In religion maybe love and faith should go hand in hand. Certainly in counselling you need trust. As in most relationships, trust is paramount. It will never work for you if you have no trust in the person counselling you nor if they do not trust you because you go against their core belief system.

Anyway, maybe my commets muddled thing ups a bit. If they did I apologise. They certainly were not meant to. I should have left it with my comments at the start of the thread

mp