Always heed the likes of Yvonne and Wolfgang who can with the side's point of view. Spaw is so far entrenched in the one side of his own argument, he can't even see that the intolerance in this thread started with him and not Conrad. He'll get more from life when he gets that hatred out of his system - just a pity has has to dump on this forum in the meantime.

Jon Freeman, in what sense was that link you gave here "not particularly helpful"? It seems to be mostly anecdotal accounts by protestants about how their communities have broken down. Very helpful reading. I would have thought, for anyone interested in how many people on the unionist side have got locked into their present mindset. As for the site "spewing poison," perhaps you could give some examples of what you had in mind. I must say I found nothing comparable with the poison Spaw has spewed here - even in his supposedly apologetic postings.

In most discussions I wouldn't need to spell this out, but as in this forum I will now be accused again of "running with the Orange ball," I will just state explicitly that the so-called loyal orders are responsible for a great deal of outrageous and indefensible bigotry. The only point I am making here is the narrow one that Conrad's post, and the link he gave, in no way justify the infantile response they got from some other contributors.

And Brendy, any time I've heard that phrase that Dick used, it's been entirely tongue-in-cheek. Between friends, as I am sure Dick thinks he is here, it's just legitimate banter.