Dave,

I think that it is important to seperate and clearly distinguish three issues.

1. whether a woman is ever responsible for being a victim of rape when she has actually been raped.

2. the question of women who haven't been raped who go on to make false accusations

3. the question of using social stigma surrounding issues of rape and assault to do deliberate damage to peoples lives , for example teenagers who deliberately destroy the lives of teachers.


This thread was very clearly about women who have been penetrated without having given consent.

The question is to do with whether or not a woman can be said to have somehow brought rape on herself.

In my voew, as I have demonstrated amply in this thread, there are no circumstances under which forced sex is in any way the womans responsibility.

Even if a man and woman are actually having sexual intercourse, if the woman - for whatever reason - wishes to stop, it would take a pretty fucked up guy to refuse and carry on regardless.

And any idea that certain clothing gives a man a licence to ... er ... rape a woman ... is more fuced up still.


But in the 21st century, we live in a state where you are presumed innocent until proven guilty, and noone should be imprisoned, named or otherwise punished for a crime they have not committed.

In the case of sex offences and abuse of minors, this principle is especially important.

If a teachers name is dragged through the mud, and they are named and shamed before having been convicted, their life will be utterly destroyed amnd in many communities they will be in danger of retribution from vigilante parents.

Anonymity is essential.