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Thread #129840   Message #2924586
Posted By: CarolC
10-Jun-10 - 10:16 AM
Thread Name: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
It is difficult for me to think that a person with a normal ability to perceive the reality could actually be convinced that a one state solution would have any chance to lead to peace (and democracy) in that area.

It is difficult for me to think that a person with even less than normal ability to perceive reality would actually think that a state that artificially maintains a majority of one particular religion or ethnicity can in any way be described as a "democracy" or that it could ever be a peaceful arrangement.

I think we have no rights to play with those people making experiments.

I am not doing that. I am merely predicting what is going to happen. Just the way it happened in South Africa. And it certainly is appropriate to make such comparisons. Even South Africans say what exists right now in Palestine/Israel is apartheid, and many of them say it is far worse than the apartheid that was experienced in South Africa.

I'm aware that many of the supporters of the one state solution are not dreamers, but the one state they have in mind is that pursued for many decades by the PLO and recently by Hamas, symbolized by the maps that show no Israel, but only Palestine all over that area.

You are not in a position to tell me what I have in mind and what I don't have in mind. What I have in mind is a country like all of the countries in the West, in which everyone has equal rights and citizenship is not dependent upon anyone's religion or ethnicity.

It is not my racism, to use CarolC's gratuitous insult, that makes me think the one state solution to be a mask for a new version of the final solution, but normal sense of reality.

You keep accusing people of anti-Semitism, as you are doing just above. You're the one who has started the gratuitous attacks. If you can't tolerate the idea of a state in which Jews do not artificially maintain a permanent majority and in which everyone has exactly the same rights and citizenship is not in any way tied to anyone's religion or ethnicity, then you are a racist.

And you even are insinuating that because I believe that everyone in Palestine/Israel should have equal rights, that means I am advocating for all Jews to be killed. This is not only a specious lie, it is also quite an insane way to interpret what I have said.

I believe in equal rights for all. I don't believe anyone's rights should be dependent upon which religion or ethnic group they belong to. You think that some groups should be privileged over other groups and some should be denied citizenship if they don't belong to the correct group. This makes you not only a racist, but also a supremacist.