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Thread #129840   Message #2924610
Posted By: CarolC
10-Jun-10 - 10:43 AM
Thread Name: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
Lox, the navies of the world do carry out boarding operations every day.
They search vessels for drugs, illegal immigrants and so forth.
The IDF has boarded many vessels
This one made the news because of the violence.


Are you saying this is done all the time in international waters?

The video shows who started it.
The video clearly shows a soldier in the melee with just a paint ball gun.


You are not in a position to say this because you do not have video that shows what happened before the scene to which you are referring. You only have an absence of video confirming the witness testimony and the announcement of wounded passengers prior to the Israelis boarding the ship. But we do have quite a lot of witness testimony as well as the announcement of wounded passengers before the ship was boarded.

Whatever was in the pellets they would do less harm than a metal bar swung with both hands.

If someone doesn't want to be hit with a metal bar, all they have to do is not stand in range of it. The range of a metal bar is only a few feet. This is not the case with a paint pellet filled with glass that is fired at your face by someone who is standing a safe distance away from you. It's a lot harder to avoid being hit with a metal bar than it is to avoid being hit with a paint pellet filled with glass.

I do not believe they were stun grenades Carol.
Just fireworks.


I note the word "believe" in that statement, Keith. So you admit that you are only going on belief rather than on evidence.

It is silly to suggest they were thrown up from the boat.

They were not thrown up from the boat. They were fired from the boat.

Carol, the video of the boat must have been before the boarding.
We have footage of the boarding . No boats are alongside.


You've got to be kidding me. There were many boats along side of all of the ships the whole time. You have no evidence that that video was taken before the boarding. You're just going on belief. But it really doesn't matter whether it was or not. We have witness testimony and evidence that backs it up that the Israelis attacked the ship.