No, I've know for years how to do some of this stuff. ASCII hasn't been a foreign soil to me for, oh, 15 years or so. HTML isn't all THAT hard, and XML is no stranger. Twelve years as an official Sysad and four more as an unofficial one can provide one with a LOT of arcane knowledge, Amos. I have, for instance, a 4 inch thick looseleaf binder contains password cracker programs, SATAN, and quite a few things I'd prefer not to discuss too openly -- they were useful to me and may be again someday. chmod 700*, baby!