I still think Obama's a good man, but he hasn't been able to reach the "tipping point" where he has the overwhelming popularity required to really accomplish something in this complex nation of ours. Will he reach that point? I'm not sure. Much as I disliked him, I think Ronald Reagan was one of the few who was able to achieve real change in the U.S.

And Tim, I agree that much of the discussion in this thread has been constructive, and I appreciate your starting the thread.

-Joe-