it seems i have displayed my ignorance on the alcohol/pub/etc and certainly never intended any offence to anyone.in my defence i did assume that a pint of pure beer would be at least as much as a pint of shandy at £3:20 which is the most i have paid for it,not that i mind as i dont have a great thirst.i cannot disagree with your calculations;nor wish to but i would assume on your conclusions that the foresters ran a heavy loss hosting a much smaller club.i do however concede to your reasoning that IF everyone only spent £2 25 it might not be worth opening up for the musos and audience.see you monday hopefully-unless im dismissed for underspending!BTW raffles i didnt know you could bellydance;that would be entertaining!