Sorry if I have misunderstood you Steve - shouldn't post while I'm trying to do something else. I've been told often enough that men aren't any good at multi-tasking.
I confess a feeling of deep frustration with threads like these; they appear to be an indication that, like another love of mine, international cinema, we are in the position where we can't exist without sub-titles.
Thanks for the heads-up Ray
Jim Carroll