Laws against murder and theft are common to (virtually) all societies, though people find various ways around it...like murdering and thieving from the neighbouring tribe or society. That's called "war". ;-)   It is also true that virtually all societies, if not all societies without exception, were religious in the ancient times when they first began to form, and they were all openly religious up until quite recent historical times. You can therefore either claim that...

1. laws against common crimes like murder and theft arose because of religion or you can claim that...

2. they would have arisen regardless even if there had been no religion.

To argue about it and blame religion for everything that's gone wrong in the past 20,000 years or to say that religion played no useful part in the development of human societies, seems worse than stupid to me. It would be just as stupid as saying that religion is the only thing that's ever made anything go right for people in the past 20,000 years.

And to attack anyone with an opinion different from your own and try to shoehorn them into one of these exaggerated fanatical positions is to erect a straw man. That's what happens on these threads. People erect a straw man (the religious fanatic or the atheist fanatic) to suit their particular brand of prejudice, and then they attack that straw man continuously, and rave on about how awful he is, and they pretend (or imagine) that anyone who doesn't agree with them on every point must be just like that straw man.

And that's just a big waste of hot air. Too bad we don't have a big balloon to inflate. ;-) This thread and others like it would then serve a useful purpose of sorts.