No disagreement, LH.

But I fear the collapse way be sooner rather than later I have a 10 trillion mark ( in my collection) note that tells me it might get unpleasant.

I am putting away silver and buying property ( in the country) that I can live on.

I think that much of what Obama SAYS is good- unfortunately, the LAWS that are being passed are NOT what he says they are, nor are they worth the money that they will cost us.

Amos seems to think that good intentions are all that are needed- I think that the ACTIONS should be judged by their effect, not by intention.