Joe. You really have your head right up your own ass on this one, I'm afraid.
I'm sorry, but that's the way I feel about it. Look:
I am not one of these "...working very hard to prevent the posting of this song..". If you think that, you've been reading my posts all wrong.

I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT OTHERS POST IN THIS FORUM.

So how the fuck can I (or others) prevent the song's posting?
How many times do I have to say this?

You're making a lot of extravagant claims up there, Joe. But your 'take' on the situation concerns me not. What does, is your quite obvious attempt to attack others who find the sentiments of this song abhorrent, and accuse them of every other crime under the sun.

Let's start way up at the top again, shall we?

Barbara said, in her first post: "while you're at it. I would still like to see them. Here.

The single-most significant part of that post, is the full stop (period), after 'them', and before 'Here'.
Posting the lyrics is not a problem. Making a point out of posting the lyrics is, in my opinion. And if this is a crusade in the name of freedom of expression, 'I have the right, therefore I will', you could have saved your 'I have a dream' speech for something a bit more worthwhile, I think, Joe.

I am not intimidating anyone on this forum. To insinuate that any of the people opposed to the sentiments of this song are intimidating anyone, is as red a herring as I've seen in a long time.
That is not what an 'open forum' is all about. Does someone who objects to the contents of a song immediately become a terrorist? Or are you just pissed off that I have the words and out of principle I wont share them with you?
The last sensible post (IMO) you made was this one:

Date: 16-Sep-00 - 03:13 AM Well, I have to admit there are a few requested songs that I've had, but didn't post because I objected to them for one reason or another. I kind of hope that we might agree that if and when the song is posted, we attack the song, not the posting of it or the person who posted it. -Joe-

Absolutely, Joe. But what if that person is posting the song, so as to rub it into the noses of others, what then?
Policy is fine. But 'intimidation' and 'bullying' are open to all sorts of different interpretations, by all sorts of different people. And you, as one of the more respected 'catters around here, would do well (IMO) to re-interpret those terms, and properly define them, before you start throwing instances of it out on to a trusting public.

And Jeri, you're right, about all this 'talk-around'
As is often the case in emotive issues such as this, large amounts of flak get fired around the place. This song has been discussed. Not every-one has seen the words, it is true. But I doubt if a critical appreciation of it, when and if it does appear, will shed any more light on its merits. Áine said that she would post them, and that's fine by me.
The 'discussion' about the CD to all intents and purposes ended with the word 'silly'. For this you can blame Branwen and Barbara.
I, like Áine, wouldn't have touched this thread with a barge-pole, even when I saw that famous 'full-stop'. People shouldn't talk about war, after saying '.Here'.

I don't take that kind of garbage from anybody.

I've experienced my share of coat-trailing, in my time. And I've experienced freedom of expression at first hand, many times, when the Orange mobs used to try and use our front living room as their playground. All because of their right to be '.Here'

Re-define bullying, and intimidation, Joe, and others. Because I don't want to be having this same conversation anytime in the forseeable future.

I, too, am here to contribute what I can to the overall pot. And, for what it's worth, try to give a bit of advice here and there.

But I think you will find that whatever else I do, if I spot bigotry or coat-trailing, especially aimed at people I care about, I'm going to defend that corner. Of course I am.
If somebody else decides to muddy the waters a bit with a load of hidden agenda, I'll deal with that when it crops up, too.
If that makes me 'unpopular'. So be it.

I believe in a free and open society. But my vision of utopia doesn't include walking over the sensibilities of others, just because you have the right to.

That is fascism, Joe. And that kind of thinking gets right up my nose.

B.