"It works much the same way with patriotism to a nation...even when that nation commits wrongs against other nations. People naturally will defend the various cultural foundations they grew up standing upon"

No one that I have seen has ever suggested on Mudcat that there are not good people in the RC church, doing good things...so, I don't know why this has to keep coming up in every discussion, as it only diverts one from another discussion...possibly it is like the Seinfield segment on gayism "not that there is anything wrong with that"

I disagree that (in the example given by LH) that "people"... which seems to be presented as all people... do not critise their government when wrongs are being done or endorsed. There are many cases, the Vietnam war, for example, where patriotic USA people, who believe in the US government foundations, actively came forward and said that wrongs were being committed and should stop. Yes, a few people (appoligists) tried to say that statistically, USA wrongs were no greater than the agerage wrongs committed by other nations.....as the attempt used by many main stream RCs in the sex abuse cases.