Why don't you just state your source? What's wrong? Educate myself?   I have. If you doubt it then the burden is on you to prove it. Evidently you can't. I want you to spend your time? You're the one who took the time to write me and tell me that I'm wrong and the book I referenced is a worthless piece of shit. So now I'm asking why. What is in the latest issue of Astronomy magazine that proves your case? For that matter, what exactly IS your case? Just a brief synposis of the article and who wrote it and what his or her credentials are. Come on, Firth, surely you have to admit your answer sounds like a bit of a cop-out, right? Would you accept the same answer from me?