I don't know who josep is but he's not one of my allies, I can assure you.

"are you claiming no unborn feels the pain of being ripped out the womb or just very early stage,and is this from all experts or just some.thanks"

You appear to be doing that typical pro-life thing, resorting to emotion. I can't have a debate on that level. I'd much rather talk about treating women like human beings, a concept not well understood by many organised religions and particularly by so-called pro-lifers.