as i said,its relative.i note mrrzy not quite agreeing with steves assertion on abortion rates ,though qualifying the outcome of legal or not.not much more to add except the poster who asserted it as fact that babes in the womb/feotus feel no pain, has not replied to my enquiry as to wether all experts take that position.as yet i dont know the answer but may research it depending on response or otherwise.       joe-hopefully nothing i,ve posted has been unfair,though i know you dont share my stand on biblical authority etc.for myself i can take insults and keep sharing my faith all the time unbelievers keep coming back to me-bless em !