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Thread #132990 Message #3013100
Posted By: Sawzaw
22-Oct-10 - 01:01 PM
Thread Name: BS: NPR fires Juan Williams
Subject: RE: BS: NPR fires Juan Williams
Was Juan "Lynched"?
Juan Williams, While lecturing an intolerant person, expressed his feelings.
Mean sprited Progressives struck like a cobra to inflict pain on anyone who they deem "wrong". The self appointed Boss Hoggs of who can say what.
Before you echo someone else's opinion, read all of what was said and form your own opinion:
O'REILLY: Continuing now with our lead story, danger from the Muslim world.
Joining us from Washington Mary Katharine Ham and Juan Williams.
So, Juan, I got to tell everybody, own up to this, that talking points memo was really written by Alan Colmes.
So, where am I going wrong there, Juan.
JUAN WILLIAMS: Well, actually, I hate to say this to you because I don't want to get your ego going. But I think you're right. I think, look, political correctness can lead to some kind of paralysis where you don't address reality.
I mean, look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.
Now, I remember also that when the Times Square bomber was at court, I think this was just last week. He said the war with Muslims, America's war is just beginning, first drop of blood. I don't think there's any way to get away from these facts.
But I think there are people who want to somehow remind us all as President Bush did after 9/11, it's not a war against Islam. President Bush went to a mosque –
O'REILLY: Well, there isn't any theology involved in this at all from my perspective, Juan. But you live in the liberal precincts. You actually work for NPR, OK?
WILLIAMS: Yes.
O'REILLY: And it's not about — it's about politics as I said. But — my analysis is that this Israel thing and that liberals feel that United states is somehow guilty in the world, of exploitation and backing the wrong side, and it makes it easier for them to come up with this kind of crazy stuff that, well, you can't really say the Muslims attacked us on 9/11.
WILLIAMS: No, but what Barbara Walters said to you –
O'REILLY: Were they Norwegians? I mean, come on.
WILLIAMS: Wait a second though, wait, hold on, because if you said Timothy McVeigh, the Atlanta bomber, these people who are protesting against homosexuality at military funerals, very obnoxious, you don't say first and foremost, we got a problem with Christians. That's crazy.
O'REILLY: But it's not at that level. It doesn't rise near to that level.
WILLIAMS: Correct. That's — and when you said in the talking points memo a moment ago that there are good Muslims, I think that's a point, you know?
O'REILLY: But everybody knows that, Juan. I mean, what are, in 3rd grade here or what?
WILLIAMS: No, you don't — but you got to be — this is what Barbara Walters was saying –
O'REILLY: I got to be careful, you just said it. I got to be careful. I have got to qualify everything 50 times. You know what, Juan? I'm not doing it anymore. I'm not doing that anymore.
WILLIAMS: OK. So, be yourself. Take responsibility.
O'REILLY: But I'm not going to say, oh, it's only a few. It's only a tiny bit. It's not, Juan. It's whole nations, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, whole nations.
Go ahead, Mary Katharine. You want to get in here. Go.
MARY KATHARINE HAM: First of all — first of all, the left only thinks that you should be careful with rhetoric in dangerous times when it's a right winger using the rhetoric. When they're doing it themselves, when it deals with other issues, they don't care. So there's a double standard there.
Second of all, there's a distinction worth making between moderate and extremism Islam as you have made that point in the talking points, because frankly, as a conservative, if anybody who believes in the mission in Iraq where you are building up a society of moderate Muslims to push back on extremists, you have to believe in that distinction. So, I think that's important to make.
But, this whole getting up and running off set because you don't use the distinction in every single sentence you say, I think, was ridiculous and immature and they stopped the conversation, not you. It was them freaking out about a conservative position and leaving the stage to stop the conversation.
O'REILLY: All right. But, look, here's the deal. Angela Merkel, all right, in the politically correct nation of Germany — Germany has gone from being a militaristic society to a politically correct society in a generation. OK?
Angela Merkel comes out today and says, "You know what? This is out of control in our country. We can't control it anymore."
So, if it's only a few, and a couple and just in the mountains of Pakistan, that's all, why is Angela Merkel having such a hard time? Why are the French banning burqas? You know why –
O'REILLY: Come on.
WILLIAMS: Because — they have a problem because people have stopped emphasizing and she went on to say, this integration assimilation.
O'REILLY: Why, Juan? Why?
WILLIAMS: — to live side by side. That was wrong-headed and because she sees it as a threat. I think that she pointed out that two of every three or so children under the age of 5 in Germany is Muslim.
O'REILLY: Juan, who is posing a problem in Germany? Is it the Muslims who have come there or the Germans?
WILLIAMS: Absolutely.
O'REILLY: Who's causing the problem?
WILLIAMS: I think — I think — no, no, wait. See, you did it again. It's extremists. It's people who refuse to –
O'REILLY: It's not extremists.
WILLIAMS: It's a German society. They are the ones causing that problem.
O'REILLY: But, Juan, Merkel — according to Merkel, it's not extremists. It's most of the 5 million Muslims who have come there aren't assimilating. That's the problem.
HAM: And also what happens, Bill — Bill, also what happens is that when moderate Muslims want to assimilate or want to stand up, they run the risk of being blown up by their co-religionist who are extreme. So, that is — that's a threat that moderate Christians and Jews don't think.
O'REILLY: But that doesn't happen in America where most Muslim- Americans have assimilated.
HAM: Because our society demands that people assimilate. That's what we demand and that's why it works here.
WILLIAMS: But, Bill, here's a caution point. The other day in New York, some guy cuts a Muslim cabby's neck and says he's attacking him or you think about the protest at the mosque near Ground Zero –
HAM: That guy works at a liberal –
O'REILLY: Yes, he was a crackpot.
O'REILLY: Look, Americans are smart enough to know, Juan.
HAM: But I don't think — the point is the rhetoric was not pushing him to do that.
WILLIAMS: I don't know what is in that guy's head. But I'm saying, we don't want in America, people to have their rights violated to be attacked on the street because they heard a rhetoric from Bill O'Reilly and they act crazy. We've got to say to people as Bill was saying tonight, that guy is a nut.
O'REILLY: He is a nut. And I said that about the guy in Florida — who wanted to burn the Koran. I came town on him like crazy.
WILLIAMS: Correct. There you go.
O'REILLY: But I'll tell you what — if there was going to be a backlash against Muslims, it would happened after 9/11. It didn't happen in this country.
WILLIAMS: It didn't happen in this country.
O'REILLY: It did not happen here. So, we are smart enough to understand who the good Muslims are and who the bad Muslims are. But to diminish the whole thing as the left wants to do, very dangerous. I have got to go, guys, as always.