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Thread #134052   Message #3049424
Posted By: Lox
09-Dec-10 - 05:02 AM
Thread Name: BS: Racial Slurs in Quotations
Subject: RE: BS: Racial Slurs in Quotations
I would clarify that I have deliberately not stated to you what my genetic background is, though I reckon everyone else here knows.

I have also deliberately not explained my intent when using the word "whitey".

So as yet, it remains unknown to you whether I was (as you say) attacking a group or distinguishing "myself and my followers who have done penance enough".

As it stands, the idea that I am attacking anyone, or making a distinction as you have described, is an inference on your part, not an implication on my part.

In other words, when you attribute either of those views to me and then knock them down, you are engaging in an argument that exists only in your head, not one that exists on this website.

There is no evidence in my post of me either taking a stance in which I attack white people, or in which I exempt myself somehow from what you describe as collective guilt.

My post very specifically and clearly discusses the history, meaning and use of a word which some people know to be "bad" without knowing why.

1. "Whitey" is not an offensive word.

What is "offensive" in this context?

Does it mean "It hurts my feelings"?

If so then any word could be deemed offensive as what peoples feelings are hurt by is subjective to them.

So what makes "Nigger" offensive?

Well, "offense" by nature is another word for "attack". An offensive word attacks, denigrates, damages, degrades etc etc.

"Nigger" is not offensive in the way that "whitey" is offensive, but in the way that "lebensraum" or "final solution" are offensive.

Those words describe specific events in history and also describe a specific mindset that goes with those events.

There is no affectionate way of saying "final solution", nor is there an affectionate way of saying "nigger", except in the most ironic and satirical of contexts.

In addition, while there are numerous examples of crimes committed against races, whether by the Nazis, by European slave traders, or by Missionaries in South America, or by Pol Pot or Stalin, non of these events is summed up by a single word in the way that the continuing struggle of black people is summed up, pretty much in its entirety, from the days of the slave trade to 2010, by the word "nigger".

There is no more all encompassing word to sum up racial crime than this word.

Now -

My posts are not about Moral value judgements, or about righteous one-upmanship, but about investigating and understanding the significance of words.


If you are interested in investigating and developing in this way too then please engage.

Getting all huffy about my use of an innocuous whiff like the word "whitey" will not win you any prizes and it certainly won't make you any wiser.


You may attribute whatever ideas you choose to me and knock them down to your hearts content, but it will reflect only the goings on of your imagination.

To be clear about my point and the usage and meaning of my words, you need to read and understand my argument.

Any additional, non contextual, interpretations by you of selective decimal fractions of my posts which are unrelated to the clear meaning and intent are not my problem.