""OK you win...Feel better now?"2

What has winning to do with it?

It's about accuracy in defining the terms of a discussion, without which not much of meaning emerges.

""I learned a life lesson many years ago that it is at times better to give some folks the pride of a win, rather to go on with a back and forth, pointless, argument.""

Now you are just being gratuitously insulting. Never in my time as a Mudcat Member have I gloated or shown pride in winning.

What you seem to want is blind acceptance of your viewpoint right or wrong, which tends to cast you in the same mould as the Creationists

What I am after is to discuss the same topic.

It's best if both sides know what that topic is, rather than me talking about apples, and you responding on the subject of oranges.

However, if you are too bored to bother that's fine by me.

Don T.