999 .... in Canada our legal system states you are innocent until proven guilty ... so I guess the answer IMHO would be you lose the right to vote when you have been declared guilty in a court of law and off you go to serve your designated time and lose your right to vote until you have been released. If you are found certifiably insane well ... what the hell in Canada you can vote if you are mentally insane or are in prison (if the time of incarceration is over 2 years), so I arrest my case let them all vote ... I guess it doesn't make any difference since there are politicans, and judges who are both crooks and mentally unstable.

and yes Eliza ... I agree the whole problem is too complex to solve.

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