""It is not a single gang in a single case.
But in 17 court cases since 1997 where groups of men were prosecuted for grooming 11 to 16 year old girls on the street, 53 of the 56 people found guilty were Asian, 50 of them Muslim, while just three were white.""

Seventeen cases in thirteen years, over what catchment area, and as compared to how many in that area where there were no Asian or Muslim defendants?

You really can't just quote selective figures without putting them in context.

For example, if those seventeen cases were in the same court, or a few very local courts, the defendants could very well have been members of the same gang, in fact almost inevitably would be, given that most gangs are intolerant of rival gangs on their turf.

If the seventeen cases were spread over a much wider area, then they would not be statistically significant unless compared with the number of cases with few, or no, Asian or Muslim defendants.

You see, while you search uncritically for anything or anyone to bolster your anti Muslim bias, I use my rational faculties to produce logical counter arguments.

You are wrong about something else too. I am not angry, because your inability to handle a simple discussion is your problem and not worth my anger, or even irritation.

You ask why we can't have a normal discussion? I'll tell you why!

1. Because one of us is unwilling or unable to discuss anything rationally.

2, Because one of us believes that quoting the opinions of self styled experts trumps both rational thinking and rational argument.

3. Because one of us actually believes what he reads in the papers, and believes that "expert" opinion is fact, relieving him of the responsibility for policing his own prejudices.

4. Because one of us can't be bothered to read what other people post in discussion, much less respond to its content.

""I will not storm out, but I will not put up any more evidence.
I am prepared to discuss rationally, or leave it there.
Over to you.""

1. You have thus far not put up any evidence other than hearsay.

2. You have had ample opportunity to discuss, rationally or otherwise, and have as yet shown no inclination to do so.

3. By all means do storm out, or stay. Your presence or absence is a matter of total indifference to me.

Don T.