well i don't see liberal as a term of abuse. I think people should have as much freedom as possible.

Really theres too much abuse going on in this conversation for proper communication to take place. 'Weasel words' for godsake. Weasels don't talk.

On second thoughts - perhaps they do have learned debates with other weasels. Perhaps they have the answer to all our differences, and that's what we need - a weasel dialectic.