Jim: No re Land Of Hope ~~ Last Night of Proms audience not the same sort of ritual occasion for the same sort of gathering as a Liverpool FC match crowd.

Would not, either, urge Never Walk as in any way 'traditional', despite title of this thread. But arguably as 'folk' by, as it were, adoption, by a different sort of process, still perhaps to be defined. Not, indeed, absolutely sure where I stand on question; which, note, both to Bert & you I expressed simply as a question, without necessarily implying any answer of my own; which, as I say, I am not sure of. A form of Devil's Advocacy, I suppose one might call it.

~M~