PS - By shit I don't mean singing, I mean attitude & egos. Ron Baxter claims to be the worst singer in the world but his presence in a singaround is always a catalyst for the good. The problems start when people start taking themselves more seriously than the songs they're singing. No matter how good they might be, it just becomes an excercise in ego-tripping... but, getting back to Kipling:

And when they bore me overmuch, I will not shake mine ears,
Recalling many thousand such whom I have bored to tears.
And when they labour to impress, I will not doubt nor scoff;
Since I myself have done no less and sometimes pulled it off.
Yea, as we are and we are not, and we pretend to be,
The people, Lord, Thy people, are good enough for me!