Amos: "If you encounter a "spiritual" phenomenon--whatever it may be-- and discuss it with someone hard over on material science, they will seek to disprove it or reject it on the grounds of statistical science, or physics-based methodology which draws only from the repeatable patterns of physical realms for its evidentiary data. This of course sets up two opposed intolerable logic loops."

YES! Or as I'd put it, the two individuals arguments are based on different premises. One needs a rational/material basis for their beliefs, the other requires a religious/faith based premise, one party expecting the other to debate their belief in the terms of the other, is not too far from saying "I think you expressing your freedom of thought is great, with the tiny caveat that you think freely in the same way that I think".

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