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Thread #135090   Message #3118335
Posted By: Jim Carroll
21-Mar-11 - 12:33 PM
Thread Name: BS: Muslim prejudice
Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
Here is Keith's contribution to our knowledge of the British Pakistani community - a people I have personally always found to be quiet, industrious, eager to learn, friendly and anxious to avoid trouble.
His opinions, and those he has chosen to represent his views of that communty, are peppered with denials of his being a racist or of bearing any ill-will towards that community - I've made up my own mind how valid those denials are - I have no doubt that others are quite capable of doing the same.
Because of the sheer size of his postings I am going to have to offer them in installments, just like a Dickens novel - they certainly resemble Dickens' work in size and squalor.
Jim Carroll

Chapter one
The muslim communty does not encourage its girls to have relationships.
Marriages are usually arranged, and usually with partners in Pakistan.
Their unmarried young men must abstain or find sex outside their own community, but not have lasting relationships.
Paedophilia is not endorsed, but the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) took a child bride.
This particular crime, dubbed street grooming, is the domain of male muslim gangs according to the people in a position to know.
There is lots of other dreadful crime for which other groups are responsible, but let us accept that this is a crime that the culture (not the religion) of the Pakistani community is largely responsible for.
First cousin marriage is common within Pakistani culture.
Does it imply that all Pakistanis do it and no others do it?
An undesirable consequence is that they suffer a high level of inherited disabilities and a high infant mortality.
All I ever said about Pakistani culture is that girls tend not to be allowed to engage in courtship behaviour.
British Pakistani culture generally does not encourage the kind of courtship behaviour prevalent in Western cultures.
A young man of any ethnicity will find it hard to live a saintly life under the cultural pressures found here.
Marriage partners are arranged at a young age, but relationships with girls are not allowed.
The gangs in this case are predominantly made up of Pakistanis.
British Pakistanis generally do not approve of girls having relationships with males?
Marriages are very often arranged at a young age?
Parents try to marry their daughters at the earliest age possible while men marry much later in life. The reason for this is to prevent the bride from losing her respectability through personal encounters with other men. Whilst the man marries much later in life as he is responsible for providing for his wife and future children. For most Pakistani men it takes time before they are economically established for this role. This of course means the bride will marry a man considerably older than herself, an age difference of ten years is not uncommon.
Parents start saving towards the cost of the wedding from the birth of their child as marriage is expensive. The most common marriage arrangement is between first cousins. If a first cousin of suitable age is not found then a second or third cousin will do. Marriages between unrelated couples are uncommon.
Though Pakistanis have immigrated in groups an entire family including extended relations is not always present in the UK. In such cases the marriage partner will be in Pakistan. Where one partner is in Pakistan problems are often encountered if the partner is male. Experience suggests UK immigration officials are usually quite happy to grant visas for brides from Pakistan to enter the country, however men from Pakistan usually face a long and ardous struggle to gain entry to the UK
Whether the prospective partners are allowed to see each other prior to the wedding depends on the families concerned. If one partner lives in Pakistan a photo may be all that is provided. when partners are allowed to meet, the meeting will take place amongst the two families who will be present at all times. It is not unusual for the couple to have no direct contact prior to the wedding.
'They are forced into marriages and they are not happy. They are married to girls from overseas who they don't have anything in common with, and they have children and a family.
'But they are looking for fun in their sexual activities and seek out vulnerable girls.'
He said Asian men resort to abusing young white girls because they do not want meaningful relationships with adult white women.
'An adult woman – if you are having an affair – would want your time, money and for you to break up your marriage,' the peer added.