I'm actually very pleased that Richie and Bonzo post here in the way that they do. Their language and attitudes - devoid, it seems, of any logic, reason, facts, figures, statistics and real knowledge - paint a very vivid picture of smug, intellectually impoverished people. Sadly, also people without any wider view of society, and a real lack of historical perspective. Note: my comments are apolitical - such shallowness is equally pathetic whether it comes from the left or the right of the political spectrum.

It's very interesting to see the way that political mantras go in through their ears and eyes, emerging at the mouth - obviously the shortest difference between two points - unscathed by any encounter with a brain cell. The impression given is of people unable to take a wider and more caring view of society as a whole other than their own personal comfort and well-being.

So you two - if you want to make an impact on a discussion and carry a point, why not do (as many of our articulate US and UK 'Catters do): (a) present solid evidence backed up by accurate facts (b) argue in a civilised and restrained manner (c) debate in the old sense of the word (d) listen (e) have some sympathy for another's point of view being held, even though you absolutely disagree with it.

Your previous posts make you sound like a couple of ignorant and very unpleasant bully-boys.